And Speaking of RPG’s…

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Ever heard of Mother 3 / Earthbound 2? Normally when some rare title comes rumbling down the Tumblr highway, I’ve at least heard of it. But this sucker – featured so neatly in this marvellous artwork – has a true following, the same kind of rare-but-known mystique that Grigchops was muntering about with Panzer Dragoon Saga (it has a Wiki. Generally a sign of fandom. And Cosplayers! It’s truly big) but I’VE NEVER HEARD OF IT!

I watched this cheeky video (embedded below – but diki, you’ll have to remind me what we do about the params in the YouTube code cos i’m grigged if i remember…) and boy it has some good music. At least in the opening few minutes anyway. For me, the music is the heart and soul of the RPG, so it seems kind of tasty.


An embedded YouTube video, yesterday. I hope.

But – beyond that, hard to say. SNES Zelda, old-school Final Fantasy – somewhere in that region it seems. I can’t really say as it’s in Japanese… so who knows. But I like the fan art above and also this poem – which you can find the rest of on Nintendo’s site where, it appears, they asked the developer for his memories of the games and he rattled this sucker off. Nice.

What is the video game, Earthbound?
Even today, it’s so hard to answer that question.

It was like a group of children taking dolls from a toy chest.
Old dishes no longer used in the kitchen.
Nuts and bolts found inside a toolbox.
Little flowers and leaves from the backyard.
And they were all laid down on the carpet with everybody singing made-up songs.
Ready to talk all day about that world they just made.
That, I think was how Earthbound was made.

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Panzer Dragoon Saga look-back ahoy!

So my Saturn adventure continues, crashing through the stack of games accumulated from an era long gone by, and in a bid not to end up crying over how bad I am at Duke Nukem 3D, Sega Rally, and Street Fighter Alpha these days, I decided to start a new play through of one of gamings royalist members – the mighty Panzer Dragoon Saga. Inspired by the awesomeness, this is one beauty worth talking about!

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The game tells the story of Edge, a young whippersnapper seen at the outset of the game employed by the lands all conquering Empire as a guard. Edge is on duty at an Empire excavation as they recover artefacts and technologies left by a defunct civilisation known as the Ancients, the advanced technology of whom, a lot of the current day gizmos are based. Airships, weapons, vehicles, you name it, it’s all founded on discoveries from the super-advanced times of the Ancients. Edge looks on as a mysterious girl is hoisted out of the dig, but before things get too intriguing, Edge is having his ayne kicked by some Grig head called Crayman and his cronies as they descend on the area and start smashing the place up. Edge falls into a raviene in the process, landing softly in a lagoon, and stumbling upon a strange new ally – a powerful dragon, which seems to be at his beck and call. The pair head back to the surface finding the place in tatters and with Edges boss slain and the attacking fleet having disappeared into the distance. Cue Edges conquest for revenge with his new pal, and ultimately much Dragon-shaped butt kickery of the highest order.

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Edge, ridin’ dat Dragon. Or Dragoon. Whatever that is.

Launched in 1998, Panzer Dragoon Saga was one of the last great hurrahs for the Saturn. Coming late in its life, few copies were produced leading to shortages as they were all quickly snapped up eventually prompting Sega to whip up secondary batches, at least in the U.S. Still, this did not stop the game from becoming super-rare. In fact, even on launch day here in the U.K, there was a distinct lack of Dragoonage in the shops. I believe me and Lartens managed to pick up both available copies in our nearest town. Just in time too, as some dude on the phone to the store worker was just about to have one of the copies put aside, ’till the employee clocked the boys from Grig Orig rocking both boxes in the queue. Ain’t nobody getting one over on the G.O.-bots!

With Final Fantasy VII putting an RPG-coloured fire in the bellies of gamers worldwide, Panzer Dragoon Saga stepped into the fray – albeit, a li’l too late to save the Saturns hide – but what a game they gave us!

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Eat my Dragon! That tree better look out, coz it’s about to get buzzed worse than The Grigs naughty bits after he found those lice.

The gameplay is your standard RPG-style fare for the most part. Exploring towns, talking to folks, running errands, you know the drill. But where Final Fantasy and the like shot for prerendered backdrops, Saga took the full leap to 3D.

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Edge, hitting up the town. Where’s KFC? I’m hungerin’ for a fillet burger, and you grigging know I’m gonna be towering that sucka up! 

This gave the game an added depth of immersion, leading to a real sense of being in these places and eventually knowing them well enough to find your way around after you’d previously scoured every nook and cranny for secret goodies so often stashed in the shadowy recesses. In fact, as simplistic as it seems these days, I still find it amusing that Square Enix actually used the excuse that its too hard to make fully 3D explorable towns when questioned over their lack of inclusion in Final Fantasy XIII. They had them on Saturn you mongers of buh! Giddy aunt.

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That’s either one big Saturn pad, or a very small girl.

It is however, the battle system that shines in this game. I had never really seen such a system implemented in a RPG before. Aloft your dragon-steed, you rotate around your deadly and often gargantuan enemies, attacking with strategy and precision, gradually figuring out where and when to hit them, and trying your best to stay in safe areas to minimise damage. The 3D rotational grid you move on around your enemies really gives the game a unique feel, and was a nice change to the typical sets if parties facing off in a turn based showdown. Not that I have a problem with that scenario, what with the earlier Final Fantasy games being some of my most favorite videogames. I just enjoy and appreciate how Saga does things differently.

The graphics are pretty good for the time, though perhaps not quite of the ilk of Zwei, but certainly some of the larger more detailed crafts and enemies you tackle boast a sense of awe, truly making you feel up against it in your striving to take them down. The areas you explore are upon your dragon area also well done, nicely rendered and with a decent enough draw distance to ensure you’re left to explore the mysterious settings with intrigue, rather than distracting thoughts prevailing about dodgy clipping and pop up.

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Our namesake! Shout outs to the big Grig Orig!

Credit must also be given to the games sound, which features a distinctive soundtrack immediately identifiable as Panzer Dragoon, and really stamps a memorable feel on the game. It just fits so well, elevating the scenarios with which its used to greater heights and giving the game a real cinematic quality, the like of which you seldom tended to find on the humble Saturn. From pounding battle music, to gentler melodic towns music, there’s not an area to be found where the music doesn’t excel, whilest the fully voice acted – albeit Japanese – voice track is also a commendable touch really adding to the unfamiliar mystique of the strange post-apocalyptic realm of Panzer Dragoon.

I guess if there’s any downsides, it’s that the FMV cutscenes are a little on the distorted side, coming off as very blocky looking. This was quite weird to me, as there were far better examples of crisp video much earlier in the generation, but if you look past it as best you can to focus on the story, it’s not too disappointing. The resolution in-game is also perhaps a little lacking, and some of the effects and animation are a bit clunky. There’s just a little bit of that lovely sheen missing that other games of the era were able to deliver, particularly on Sonys rival format. Course, the developers were up against it with the Saturns problems in some visual areas.

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Nice water. Better hope it’s not the South Coast. There will be loggage.

This may come as both a shocking, and more importantly, disgraceful notion – one that I once would have spat at the utterance of back in the day – but I did wonder upon my recent playthrough, what this game may have looked like on Playstation 1. The constant use of cross hatching in place of true transparency effects took me right back to the days where that one particular PS1-trump card was constantly coming up in any Saturn vs Playstation debate, and it was a bitter pill to swallow. In fact, even when playing Final Fantasy VII earlier this year, I recall musing at what a Saturn version of that game may have looked like as the summon I watched threw colourful transparent polygons all over the show in a haze of technicolor brilliance. The ugly meshwork that would have been on display on Segas 32-bit behemoth would be more dotty than Spotty Mans pebble dashed under-crackers. ‘Tis clearly something that haunts me to this very day!

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It might be a crosshatched nightmare at times, but Grig it. If it doesn’t look grand in its finer moments!

But still, let’s not worry about what Panzer Dragoon Saga isn’t, and instead focus on what it is – one of the most awesome games of the 32-bit era, and a game that is held in great reverence among gamers still today.

In fact, it’s a strange situation that Sega hasn’t rereleased this game on PSN and Xbox Live, as you think they’d be tripping over themselves to do so. I mean, they actually released Streets of Rage 2 twice on XBLA; once as a standalone title, once as part of a package containing all three games. Surely they’d be itching to get the Dragoon on there too? And indeed, they probably would have, had it not been for another E.T.-esque nugget of gaming folklore.

Y’see, the story… or legend, as I now want it to become… is that Sega lost all the original code for this game somewhere deep within the belly of Sega H.Q in Japan. Thus, there is not really any potential to put the game out again, unless they built the game again from the ground up, which Sega certainly wouldn’t do. It’s that kinda thing that gives the game an air of mystique, while the incredibly inflated prices it goes for these days puts it out of the reach of many giving it near untouchable status except for the precious few. Thank goodness I got that sucka on launch day, or I’d certainly be Dragoonless!

Except for if it’s been emulated. Which it probably has.

So to conclude, Panzer Dragoon Saga is to me well worthy of the prestige that surrounds it, closing out the Saturns final few chapters with dignity and grace. Now, time to get back to Duke. That games been holding my ayne for a while now. Must be time to get it handed back to me…

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Feeling the Urge…

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So, I came this close to getting a 3DS today – would be my first console in, ooh, a year. Pretty exciting times as it goes.

See, I set myself a challenge / dare / agreement. I couldn’t spend anything in my bank or wallet as i’m incredibly skint – so actually buying anything other than bread and water at the moment is just pure craziness. But I could spend anything lying about the house…

So. I took all my change in little bags to the bank (86 dibloons. woohoo!), cashed in some winning beaut scratch cards (8 dibbers. cha-ching!) and swapped back some useless-ass euros for good old fashioned British stirling (28 dollars worth of it, too!) giving me a grand total of £130. (Shush. I know it adds up to less than that. But there was also some other change in my pocket. That totally counts.)

But the other thing was, I had to be able to get the machine and either Mario / Mario Kart / Zelda / Animal Crossing and not settle for any buh.

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Animal Crossing versus Buh, yesterday.

And blow me if you could’t get a console and game for £160 which is actually pretty darn good. But wouldn’t ya know – none of them were the classics I was after. There was Street Fighter, Professor Layton (snicker) or Dead or Alive which were all tempting… (I don’t know if DoA is any good on the 3DS. But knowing those jigglers were in my pocket? Sweet.) But just not quite good enough. See, if you’re gonna do something on a whim, it kinda has to be the right thing. I know full well if I’d have got one of those I’d have had to spend another £30 next week getting one of the ones I actually wanted. So, that looked like a dead end.

But did you know you could get a 2DS for only £89?! No game, but way cheaper, so if you then bought a game it’d only be, like £130. Which is what I had! So that was ALSO tempting – because let’s face it, I’m going to turn the 3D off after about 5 minutes. But three things: it’s too big, as it doesn’t fold; and even though it’s newer, it feels older. What if I was strolling about with my 2D setup and some punk kid rocks along with his 3D all on show? He’s be like all laughing, and calling me grandad, and asking where my zimmer frame was. Oh the shame! So … no ta.

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A reason to hate 3D, yesterday.

Still. That cash has now been allocated to gaming. So where to take it game-fans? Back to the old eBay Mega CD / Game Cube mission? Maybe extend that bidding plan to a 3DS now? Or put the money towards my credit card bill and go play the Last of Us / Ni No Kuni for more than 10 minutes considering I spent 200 quid on Playstation 3 things last year and they’re just sat there gathering dust? (Actually, totally not true as I’ve totally watched 2 Blu-Rays and a few things on 4oD using my PS3… That’s more usage than the 360 has had… hehe…)

Anyway. Answers on a postcard please.

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New Sega… new danger?

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While games makers are becoming well accustomed to posting yearly drops in profit year in year out of late, there is an even more perturbing observation to be made regarding Segas recent financial results.

Their best selling games, are all a bunch of Grig.

1, Total War: Rome 2, 1.13 million copies sold

2, Football Manager, 790,000 copies sold

3, Sonic the Lost World, 710,000

Sheesh. These are Sega’s best selling games? The house that built Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Daytona, Shenmue and so on? What… what happened?

Whilst the foolhardily exclusive Sonic The Lost World may have been widely, and probably wisely panned, it would seem to suggest that the hapless-hog can at least command some kind of respect and bring back the punters, no many how many crap games he’s been in. Those schmucks… whom I will be joining if I ever get a Wii U. But I digress.

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An old shot of my Sonic selection. I actually have more than this now. But owning Sonic Unleashed negates any good additions should I take a new photo.

What’s this Rome game? Last time I remember this game was years ago, my friends flat mate playing some previous iteration and shouting things like ‘Their ramming my rear guard!’, and so on. Looked dull as Grig. Didn’t even know they still made it. Not that Sega actually made it. They acquired it in some publishing deal several years ago, I seem to recall. I could almost weep. Streets of Rage 4? Nope, here, have this. Grigging A… Course, we won’t be completely ignorant and totally write it off. It could be good. It’s just it isn’t Shenmue 3, therefore it must be crap. And that’s a just verdict.

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So Rome, huh? Must be a right tip, which is why they had to try and invade everywhere else. Although sometimes I do feel like I’m a person there. Especially when I think about how Sam Beckett never made it home… #ijoke!

And Football Manager. Grigging what? They still make that game? It’s like a bunch of writing! I’d rather read a book! No wait, I didn’t mean that. Unless… Retro Gamer counts as a book, right? Anyhoo, I know I’m out of the modern game loop somewhat, but come on. I never got this one. And I did once try. I also once tried dropping in on a skateboard ramp when i cant ride one and hurt myself significantly. But that was a favourable experience to playing Football Manager. And yes, I am well aware of the fanatical following it has. It’s just, how can this be at all interesting? I can just about stomach a match of FIFA where you actually play the match, not that I’ve bought that turd-fest for several years. But this? Sega, what has become of you?!

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What seems to be the title screen. Probably the most interesting and graphically intensive part of the game.

While the Sega of 2014 is in no way the Sega of old in anything more than name, any good they once embodied giving way to a maelstrom of crap and then some, there’s still a small corner of my greyed out heart quietly mourning for them.

This is a sad illustration of what Sega has become. And I am a Sega fan. Yet I have zero interest in anything they’re doing. ‘Cept dat Sonic thing, but let’s gloss. Publishing other companies games and letting their own I.P’s rot might be keeping their heads above water, but it’s not a pretty picture. Clearly I have a minority desire not worth tending to, what with wanting their more traditional games being given a new lease of life, but if that’s the case I’ll have to dwell as one coz I ain’t budging! And until they get their act together, I’ll be reliving the retro joys of years gone by. How could they have become… this? I mean, clearly the fact that these are their most popular games also says a lot about the games buying public, and likewise, how can the gaming community have become… this? Sigh.

Megadrive Shame on you, gamers! Angry Megadrive judges you! Grrrr!

It’s all too much! I’m too upset to face the joyless future of F2P shovel ware, poisonous micro transactions, and the impending demise of the traditional console! I’m done… I’m just… done.

Luckily for the industry I can’t buy games anyway, otherwise I’d really be sticking it to them. Or am I already doing that? Whatever, I’m retreating back into my cave to play Megadrive by candlelight! Goodnight!

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My top kickstarter games to keep an eye on right now, cos I just looked

Did you want to play a simulation game like the new (last year) Sim City V but were put off by the failure and publisher, well sometime in the next couple of years, probably three by Kickstarter standards there is The Universim. Advertised delivery is October 2015 for the early beta.

Next up Heart Forth Alicia. This little beaut has that retro look (think Symphony of the night on the amazing SEGA Saturn), but GRiG, I was sold on the opening island in the clouds, Laputa style. Described as a ’90’s-inspired Metroidvania RPG about a young wizard on her journey to stop a Spirit form consuming her homeland’ I think this is a backer, already trippled it’s goal and 6 days left to go as of writing, check it.

Lastly the reason I took a ganders on Kickstarters games today in the first play, Adventures of Pip. You start as a few pixels but the more you trounce on your enemies the fuller bittier you become, if that’s even a thing. Will you take up arms with me brother, and defend Pixel Kingdom from evil.

Super dooper quick kickstarter link widget things

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Gross man-foot vs cool tattoo

Random post ahoy, but this is a pretty cool tattoo, incorporating an actual limb into its design.

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Course, it looks good here, but whether it still looks good when the dude is in his Bermudas on Hastings seafront, leg cocked over the other scuffing dogs mess off his Crocs with a stick, is another thing altogether.

Award yourself ten, nay, FIFTEEN, Grig points if you managed to hold your lunch down at the sight of man-foot. You surely have a stronger stomach than I.

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RetroN 5 may no longer be a myth

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It’s close, it’s so very close, sources say that the retroN 5 will be in the hands of suppliers end of June, that’s only 2 months away, surely after delay upon delay it can’t be a ploy to lower our guard, surely Hyperkin know the retro fans will be after blood if just one more date is a lie.

The Retron 5 promises 10 retro game consoles in one (though that’s counting the same system in a different territory again). using original cartridges from the NES, Famicon, SNES, Super Famicon, Megadrive, Genesis, Game Boy, Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance you can play them on one working machine with the convenience of one hdmi output at 720p.

If you don’t like the wireless controller you can always use your own NES, SNES, Megadrive controller and customise the mapping.

IF you hadn’t already pre ordered you may be finding the final price a tad more than previously estimated due to some manufacturing alterations including upgraded chips. Hopefully this will mean the device will be less likely to fail.

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Reports are the Americanos are getting a $40 hike, totaling $140, bare in mind the UK price was around £90 so expect £130, unless you pre-ordered and used a coupon like me then it’s £86 baby, riding that victory train woot woot.

Lartens GRiG news, out.

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Bunch of Ass-Lixers

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Here’s a weird curve in the world of technology: the disbelief to dull pathway.

See, only a week ago, I saw a gif on Tumblr where some dude seemed to be drawing into thin air with just a plain old pen. (And in the interests of pure journalism, I’ve even switched to the laptop instead of iPhone so could upload the very animated gif that i did see. iPhone turns everything to jpg for some reason?! anyhoo… Hopefully it’s now animating a treat above?) And I was like, woah?! That dude’s got nothing on our skills down Piss Alley – I could write my name with the stream! Though don’t cross the streams – it would be BAD.

Hah – no. I didn’t think that at all. Mainly because that would involve memories of Wayne having his nob out in public. Nope, I REALLY thought – woah! that is amazing – but looks fake.

Which is the hallmark of any great new technology, right? You want to be genuinely amazed they could do it. The bullet train, hoverboards, the Saturn version of Daytona. (Haha, oh how I jest…) But always if it’s truly a breakthrough you’re slightly disbelieving when you first see it. Just as I was with normal 3D printing. Or Goober’s robot buddy. (Disbelieving he hadn’t trained it to flip the bird yet that is. HAHAHA I JOKE!)

And then you might google it (as i did) or write on GRiG about it (as i thought about doing) or listen up when it’s in the news and gradually you realise it’s real, and part of life, and disbelief becomes delight. Woohoo! I can totally ride my hoverboard behind a jeep on the way to the bullet train to Future School! And I think they have a bin there so I can ditch this copy of Daytona I’m for some reason carrying in my rucksack. Ashasha.

But pretty quickly, that flash of excitement spreads into a thin layer of more general amazement about how clever the world is, packed on top of a mille feuille of wonderment about the crazy life we lead. Which is still good – it’s normalising, but still you’re glad it’s around. And you move on to thinking of it as part of your life – you maybe think about buying it (or if you’re Numbnuts, you’ve already bought it on Kickstarter a year ago and probably forgotten about it by now), and somewhere it seems not just obvious that it’s been invented, but obvious it belongs in everyday life.

And then somewhere it becomes just another thing. The iPhone. Scud Race. Lolo Ferrari’s boobs. You might slightly remember that it was exciting once, but if you tell your kids about it you’ll sound like some old codger raving about the telephone at the 1904 Worlds Fair. I mean, I still think Scud Race looks pretty tasty, but even a badly programme iOS app wipes the floor with its Model 3 cheekiness, and by the time Grace is old enough to appreciate its curvy delights she’ll probably be racing 5D super-cars on an international Oculus-linked megasystem.

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This is the tamest picture of Lolo Ferrari I could find. It is not something to search for at work.

Once something becomes just another thing, in a world of other things, it ain’t long before it’s dull. I mean, not boring necessarily. Dull, like a blunt knife. Dull, like the thud of a Saturn Daytona disc hitting the bottom of a plastic bin. Dull, in a way it can no longer scythe through the aching neurons of the cerebral cortex in a blaze of glory. And here we are with the Lix pen: meh.

From only a week ago being incredulous that YOU COULD WRITE IN THE AIR WITH A PEN?! I’m now totally like “I can’t even really draw.” And that dude making a little triangle thing with it? God, that actually is about as exciting a thing as I’d make. Plus, you have to plug it in while you use it. And I bet the plastic ink stuff costs a fortune. And really, is it much better than Play Doh? Because I can put that stuff in a special mangler and make this crazy, frizzy spaghetti. I mean… AWESOME!

Two things do save the Lix pen. One, you can actually get one on Kickstarter for only £82. That doesn’t seem ridiculous for a trinket. (Early bird price was only £40-something quid. I actually would have done that, just to drop crappy triangles on my desk…) And two, I realise that you could totally draw 3D boobs with it. In thin air! Imagine going back to Medieval times with that! You’d be burned as a witch! AMAZING!

Anyway, if £82 is burning a hole in your pocket, you can see more here.

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Some Strange Samsung SEGA Saga

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So the very first thing to say about this article is that I’ve totally lifted it from here. I would have totally stayed schtum about it too except MAN, this guy has done some research – simply ripping the text from there and pasting it here just won’t cut it because he’s got MAD amounts of images and CRAZY amounts of text. So kudos – and go there for the full deelie…

Anyway, why are we here?!

Well, to talk about the Super Gam Boy of course! This might be old hat to you super geeks but the other week I went and stumbled across this poster on Tumblr and was like “what the buh?” That ain’t a Sega console! There’s a freakin’ SAMSUNG logo on this advert. What in the frickin BUH?!?

And lo, I was right to be surprised. See, after the Second World War, Korea banned Japanese cultural imports of all kinds – books, films, and of course, games. But being the international mega company that it is (bah. Irony), Sega wouldn’t be undone by such simple tricks as a ban! Hell, next you’ll be thinking its inability to market its consoles might lead them not to sell well.

Oh.

Anyway, not this time, Korea! Because Sega simply teamed up with a properly Korean company – Samsung – to release consoles under their more acceptable branding… And behold, a raft of machines and games with all different logos and names – including the wonderfully named Super Aladdin Boy! (Apparently some kind of Megadrive…) And the Gam Boy – basically the Master System…

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This isn’t the Super Aladdin Boy – but just the plain old Super Gam Boy. But look at the Samsung logo on the top! Whoop! You’ll find plenty of pictures of the slightly camply named version over at this kiddy’s website.

Perhaps most exciting of all, the Korean versions apparently had English ROMs and text (makes sense given the Japanese ban) so they’d be totally playable by us plebs. If we had a Korean system. And could find any of the games. Which we probably couldn’t. Ooh! And the pads are weird too – look! (Though these are Master System ones eh?)

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So anyhoo, go have a gander – it’s a mystery tour of weird still-Sega-but-not-Sega machines and jazz where he even goes as far as taking the machines apart to compare the chip boards. Hardcore retro slutty nude chip action! Enjoy!

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Manga you say, yes, there is a Zelda Manga, a collection in fact

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Warning! this article may contain manga spoilers

There is a ten book box set as seen above of Zelda in manga form, based on the video games the manga has some non-canonical elements but largely sticks to the events of the games, some parts are short and sweet whilst others are a little more involved with character, in the ocarina of time, Link seems to deal with dungeons fairly quickly but the interactions with the characters in between are enhanced a little more. One such non-canon plot point is Volvagia who Link buys as a baby dragon when Link was in his younger form, Volvagia is turned evil under Ganondorf control and Link is forced to kill him as an adult, obviously Link had to do this in the game but the emotional tie in wasn’t there.

The manga adaptions are by Akira Himekawa and include Ocarina of time, majora’s mask, oracle of seasons, oracle of ages, four swords, a link to the past, the minish cap, and phantom hourglass. The newer skyward sword can be found at the back of Hyrule Historia.

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On the whole they’re a good fun manga whether you know the plot of the games or not, speaking as a fan from the Zelda 2 the adventure of link days, they absolutely do no harm to the franchise, and are generally well received by other fans alike.

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